Norberto Briceño—co-founder of BuzzFeed’s Pero Like and freshly minted TikTok phenom—joins Gadiel Del Orbe for an unfiltered sit-down inside a buzzing 145 St station studio. The two Dominican-American comics rewind the rise of Pero Like, swap behind-the-scenes stories, and tackle the “now what?” of Latinx media in 2025. From immigration headlines to the meme-ification of every debate stage, Gadiel and In the very first episode of my new podcast, I sit down with Norberto Briceño (@norbertobriceno) to talk about Latino identity, community, and truth in today’s world. We dive into what it meant to create spaces for Latinos online, the challenges of assimilation vs. celebration, and the importance of building our own table when we’re not given one. We also get real about misinformation, AI deepfakes, male loneliness, red pill culture, parenting in the iPad era, the cost of living, and why accountability matters more than ever. This is a raw, funny, and thought-provoking conversation that explores culture, politics, community, and mental health — with plenty of laughs along the way. 👉 Subscribe for weekly episodes, drop a comment with your favorite takeaway, and let’s keep this conversation going.
Topics we cover in this episode:
Why Norberto co-founded one of the first Latino digital media spaces
Assimilation vs. celebrating our heritage
The impact of ICE and immigrant rights awareness
Misinformation, AI deepfakes & how to spot them
Male loneliness, friendships, and building community
Parenting in the iPad era & discipline today
The cost of living and how it shapes culture
Red pill content & toxic alpha narratives
Why accountability is power, not weakness
Finding joy & curiosity through “kind of interesting things” on TikTok
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Okay, Memano Norto, man. I'm happy to see you. Uh, this is the first episode I'm starting a podcast as you can see,
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right? And this is the first episode. I'm like, I had to bring my boy here, bro. And who's my guy?
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You couldn't find anybody else, anybody, any other guests to to be on this thing. Yeah, but a lot of them are stupid.
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You couldn't get You couldn't get Dave Chappelle. You couldn't get Bad Bunny. You couldn't
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No, there you go. I'm plan B. You are plan You're plan A for now.
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Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I'm plan A for now. How you doing, brother? How's everything? Life is good. It's hot. It's hot out
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here in the city, but it's good. I think like it's good for me. It's ter We're living in a terrible world right now.
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Yeah. The world is on fire. Yeah. Yeah. I everywhere every everywhere you look is bad news. Bad
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news after bad news after bad news. But fortunately I got my health. My family's good.
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Beautiful. And for now it's okay. The community the community the community is not good but I'm I'm doing okay.
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Yeah. It's because you you started the whole like it was your idea, right? And
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it was like it was the only Latino channel for Latinos is the Buzzfeed for Latinos, right? I wouldn't necessarily
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say I mean it's Yeah, it was it was BuzzFeed for Latinos essentially. But but I wouldn't say like we were like the
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first to do it because there had been other ones that had happened at the time. That's true. But uh but there there was Flama before.
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There was Flama. I think Mito was around at that point. Still around. Um but I will say that like it was myself and three other people,
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right? Jasmine, uh Jenny Lorenzo, and Alex Alvarez. and we all like got together and we're like
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let's do some let's do some cool shit for our people for our people which was cool. It's like and then you guys fault right to be
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like, "Yo, let's let's do something to represent." And and we're wreaking the rewards nowadays because I go on social
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media sometimes. I get on TikTok and people be like, "God, last night I talked to a dude that was like, I saw
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you when I was seven years old." You're seven years old, bro. That's it.
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And he's like, "I'm 17 now." He's like, "Do you have any advice for me?" Like, I felt like a old man. I
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don't think that feels good. But you know at that time we needed that
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conversations. We needed to talk about our culture. Is that what motivated you guys in order to start federal light?
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I think part part of it had to do with the fact that like we wanted to see it at the table.
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And I think that's something you grew up with. We want to seat it at the table. We want to be able to represent uh our
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We want to represent our community. We want to represent people who grew up like us. Yeah. first generation
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millennial Latinos in the United States. And so we were like, we want a seat at
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the table. We want a seat at the table. And for some reason, they kept on not wanting to, you know, give us a space at
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the table. So at that point, you're kind of like, well, if you're not going to give me a seat at the table, I'm just going to build a just going to
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build my own table. So that's exactly what happened. And I think like and it took a long time and
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it took a lot of work. But I think that's one of the beautiful things about it is that it was a a project that was
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driven by passion. Uh a passion not just for making our own type of content but also a passion to
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represent and I thought that again this was what 2014 2014 2015 and it's just
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like at that time that was something that was you know uh that was important to us.
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What do you how do you feel that that Norberto then and and seeing society how it is now? Like what will you say like
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what do you think he will think and what do you think now? Cuz I feel like there's been a c massive culture shift
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within our culture and also in American culture itself. Yeah. I think what I what I what I do
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love is the fact that we don't um we don't have to hide who we are.
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We don't have to hide our Latin. Mhm. We're not, you know, we don't have to uh
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adapt to an American culture. Like we are American. We're Latinos. We're Mexican-American.
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We're Dominican American, right? We we we're American. But the thing is like we don't have to uh there's not one single
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way of being an American. And I think this country is full of immigrants, full of children of immigrants, and we're
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part of that. We're part of that society. So, I think that's one of the things like back in the old school like
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there was this there was this um this philosophy that you had to adapt to
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American culture. Uh and I think that was something that I never assimilate assimilate. I never understood this this want to
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this wanting to assimilate. I never understood that. I never understood why we had to assimilate to American culture. Like what is American
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culture? And it's crazy because you know you're coming from LA, right? and LA is very
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Mexican and we're talking about there's third, fourth, fifth generation Mexicans, like how can you tell these
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people that are indigenous people of that area of Los Angeles, right, in California and there's also Arizona and
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there there's how can you tell those people that live a certain lifestyle that that are Mexican, they like you
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have to assimilate to American culture, right? Why do we have to assimilate? I think
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that's the that's the bigger question. And I understand I understand that not everybody had the same upbringing as I
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did, right? Like for example, in Texas, uh, in there were schools out there that if they caught you speaking Spanish,
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they would they would they would the teachers would whoop like will whoop your ass. Like that was just that's just
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the reality, right? So I understand that. I understand that some people had to assimilate for survival.
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Um, but again, in my upbringing, I never understood why we had to assimilate. Why do we have to be ashamed that we speak
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two languages? Why do we have to be ashamed that we love, you know, uh, you know, we love we love Michael Jackson
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and we also love Quangabian. Why do we have to be ashamed of of our roots and
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our heritage? And what is this call for us to wanting to assimilate? I remember somebody being like
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uh, you know, Latinos like would will only be seen if we are wearing suits and
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doing good, you know, do doing great things out there in the world. And it's just like why do we have to do that? Why
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do we have to prove our worth? So I never understood that. And so I think with battle like it was just a
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celebration. It was a celebration of who we are as a community, as a people. U but also expressing how proud we are of
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who we are, of our background, of our uh of our families, of our ancestors.
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Um whether we speak Spanish or we don't speak Spanish, we can be proud exactly who as who we are.
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What do you think? What do you think the the culture Latino culture needs now? Like what kind of shift do we need now
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today? cuz I just feel like right now there's a massive attack on our people and who we are, right? And and it's
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political. We are the scapegoat, right? And we're seeing this everywhere from
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day one, right? So, what do you think needs to happen to have this shift like
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for people to be proud of who they are? Bring back that love of who we are as a culture, you know?
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I don't think it's ever like I will say this. I think sometimes um we
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have to acknowledge that there's a problem with our community. Um
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we're very fractured for one thing. I think Latinos as a whole like we want a
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a type of unity with Latinos. Uh but I don't think that that exists
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currently. Uh I find that we are often broken and segmented. Um, and you know,
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it would be great if we can all come together and unite, right? Because when we come together, we're the second
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largest voting block in the United States. But I don't think we are united, right? No,
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I think but and and to that m to that point, I also think we're not a monolith
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either. Mhm. And that's okay. And that's great, but I also think we have to stop trying to see ourselves as
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one giant community. M instead I think it's it's good to be able to be, you know, to look after our
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own communities, uh, while also, you know, working working with other communities as well,
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working with other communities to foster change. I think that's what we need to be able to do. Uh, and not just think of ourselves as
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Latinos, but also as people living in this world, living in this country. You know, we're having everybody's having a human
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experience, right? And then everybody's I feel like economically, how's everything going in the United States of
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America, right? like a lot of people are struggling the majority of people are struggling and you know and I heard that
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there is a phasing out of the middle class so you know sometimes I think when people are hurting they look for someone
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to blame right oh my life is bad because of that person right and I think we have to
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bring come come up with a way to bring everybody together again you know which is possible right
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I think it's possible but I also think celebrating oneself is is doing is doing
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enough. I don't necessarily think that these days we have to bring everybody together. I think you do that by just celebrating
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who you are. And then others will be able to relate to that. Others will be able to be like I want to
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I want to be part of that party, you know, instead of instead of trying to bring everybody together. I think
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instead just, you know, like build community where you are. M
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um you don't need to be trying to get everybody across the country to come together. I think one of the toughest things that
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you know now we're seeing images, right? We're seeing images of of people being abducted going to elementary school. I
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saw a baby being raped off a woman's arms and it was heartbreaking to see
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something like that. You know, how can we see something like that and how can
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we shift and you know like it's so hard not to be angry, right? And how can we
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monitor anger, right, during times like this? Does that make sense?
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I mean, that's the thing about it. I think like this is going to sound so
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childish, but I always remember Mr. Rogers. Did you ever hear what Mr. Rogers said after 911?
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What he said? He said, "Find the helpers." During this time of chaos, find the
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helpers. And I think that's an important philosophy. I think like during these times of like we're seeing these images
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of ICE coming into these communities, ICE ripping away our families, like we
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got to yes create awareness about what's happening, but also like
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share resources, find people who are actually on the ground doing the work and and amplify their work, amplify the
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work of different uh different uh immigration groups that are helping out legally. um you know a lot of these
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people that are being detained like how can like amplify a lot of resources amplify people's rights amplify pe and
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and motivate people to know their rights um always you know amplify ways that
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people can know uh you know how how can they defend themselves against ICE. I think we got
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to be able to, you know, be more productive in the way that we use our tool, our social media tools to,
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you know, make people more aware. We have like this influencer, right? And she's a right-wing influencer that like
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she's flown in planes with Trump and stuff like that. Laura Lara Loomer. And, you know, she has a massive influence
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within her people and her base. And we're and she came out and she said that we have 65 million meals for alligators,
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right? And I I think this is just regurgitating some type of hate towards
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people that look like us, you know? I mean, we don't need Laura Loomer to to
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let us know that the right has an issue with Latinos. Mhm. Right. Like we know it.
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Yeah. We've known him since since since since since since the orange Cheeto came down the
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escalator at Trump Tower. Since he came down, we knew when he when he first
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called Mexicans rapists, what more do you need to know? What other proof do you need?
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To let you know that this man and his administration is coming after Latinos.
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He's coming after brown people. And it doesn't matter whether you have papers or not. He's coming he's coming after
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all of us. I I love what you're doing with Tik Tok. You're killing it. You have like this what we Can you talk to me about that?
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Like what started that? Like I love it by chance. I mean, I it's something that I've always been cur like I have I have
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a a knack for being curious about the world that I live in and specifically like the little details. I like the
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little hidden gems around the city. Um, and I've always been curious about history. Uh, especially like, you know,
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in the places where I live, whether that's LA, whether that's New York, I like to know about how did certain
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buildings come about? Why does the world that I live in look like this? I feel as humans we have that curiosity. You know
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what I'm saying? Yeah. But I think it's but I think it's an important thing like how did we like how how is the world built that we live
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in? So I think like for me at least I wanted to be able to you know I'd always been curious about like little hidden
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details. So I do on TikTok I do this thing called uh kind of interesting things
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and what I do is I go around the city and I film little little details here and there. Isn't that interesting?
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Yeah. little oddities, little cur curiosity bite-sized in pieces of information.
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As a matter of fact, every time I walk somewhere and I see something different, I'm like, I had the Norto got to do
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something about this because why is this here now? Yeah, it I I think Well, I think that's
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about it. I mean, I think everybody has a certain sense of curiosity, right? Whether whether it's sometimes it's the
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public art that's in the streets, sometimes it's the architecture, sometimes it's the engineering uh that goes into building a bridge. like
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there's little details that you can find all around the city. Um, and I think for me, I've always been I've always been
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the curious type. And you know, when even when I was in college, I was reading blogs by uh by different uh you
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know, different history blogs, you know, like ephemeral New York uh ephemeral New York, uh Hidden NYC, uh Atlas Obscura,
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like these these blogs that would talk about these like fun, interesting, curious details of the
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city. And I've always been curious about that to explore more about that. So when by the time Tik Tok and real like in and
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Instagram reels came out um it kind of gave me a platform to be able to to do that to do these one minute one minute
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two minute videos where I can just talk about these tiny details that are around the city.
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Um and it came about during the the pandemic. Nobody was nobody was going out. So I was just like
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let me just go let me try this thing. go walk around and explore it. Does that like does that fulfill you?
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Does that fill you up? Like does that give you life in a way? It totally gives me life.
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It gives me life. Uh I think what I love about it is that it um allows me to talk about something that's not about
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politics, that's not about Latinad, and it's not about like something incredibly depressing. And I think like I use my
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free time. It also allows me to like go out into the world, go out and explore, go out and walk around the city, find a
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new neighborhood. And so what's the next step for Norberto? Like what is it you want to do now? Like what does that look like? I would love to be able to continue
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doing more of that, more history content, be able to interview more people and be able to work with more uh
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institutions, more museums um to continue developing that because right now currently I'm only I'm only doing
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those videos, you know, once a week and in on my free time. like I'm putting no resources behind it and what I would
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love to and you and you have to do your own research and everything. I got to do my own research. I got to write it out, you know, and I gotta um I
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I tend to go to the library a lot to find like images and stuff and also find like books about certain, you know,
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certain topics. Like I'm I'm going old school with it, right? So I think it's important to be able to like
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because it's it's important to be able to provide the correct information, right? So uh but you know I enjoy doing that. I
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think that's what and it's also like my happy place to be able to like you know shoot something, edit it, create something of mine that's not
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always about like look at how terrible the world is right now. I feel like we need that cuz everybody's
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like with social media everything is like so blatantly in your face, right? Like like I I it's not humanly
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I don't know. We're not built to know everything that's going on in the world. It's too much doom scrolling. Yes.
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It's too much. It's and and and I think like Yeah. Humans are not we're not we're not meant
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to like just take in all this trauma that's happening. Yeah. Right. And I think that's part of the
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uh part and the thing is I feel also responsible because in my everyday job that I you kind of have to talk about
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this trauma in order to be able to fix it, right? Um, but that's why like in my everyday job I do, you know, we do we
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research resources, how to help people, how to, you know, how to ex break things
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down. You know, there's a bill in Congress. How do we explain this to people and how terrible it is?
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Um, but I think like what I love about doing this series is that it t it gives me a break from all of that
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because I still love creating. I still love making social media content. Um, but bro, you were like you like you were
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like making content like they were going viral. They were and we were experimenting.
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It's still an experiment. Yeah, it's still an experiment. But it was I I me looking back I'm like, man, a lot of shit that we did was cool. You
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know what is my favorite video that didn't perform well? The old to the taco truck.
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What are you talking about? They didn't do well. That did didn't perform. It didn't perform. It did. They did that did over a million
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on uh on Facebook. On Facebook? No way. Yeah. Yeah. on YouTube. That's what it was. It was like, "What happened?"
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It was for Facebook. It was It was for Facebook. The It killed It killed on Facebook.
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It was beautiful. It was I I I to this day I'm like It's I I think it's one of my prouder videos.
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We're experimenting. I think what I love about it is that we were able to like, yeah, let's just do something different.
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Let's Let's do some cool shots of of tacos, right? Like of taco trucks, bro. And when you finished that video,
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it was like laasa and for the way I don't know how you remember how you ended it.
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I don't remember how I ended it in and all but something about la rasa and I was like yes la rasa even though
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I'm Dominican. Am I considered Laasa? Yeah, I think so. Hell yeah. I I I I think some people find it
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problematic to say Larasa. I still I still like because it's got I get it. There there's there's uh uh
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anti-indigenous uh some anti-indigenous history behind it. What? Yeah.
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I thought it was like more indigenous like Yeah. But also like it sounds cool. So
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that's why we all said that's why we all said it in school was if you think about it. Yeah. Because you're saying the race.
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Yeah. But this is like I don't know. Race is such an issue in this country.
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Yeah. God damn. That was so cool. But we're learning. Yeah. We learn. Okay,
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we live and we learn. But anyway, yeah, I love the taco the the taco video. But again, as like look at the look at the
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dumb stuff that we were making. Like it was cool. It was cool. But it was fun. And and I think that's what uh I don't know.
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I enjoy doing that type of stuff. And I think sometimes uh these days I'm more in in polit I'm
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more involved in like politics and what's happening in DC and what's happening uh the atrocities happening in
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communities across the country. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes like I need a break from that cuz it's it gets too
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overwhelming. Overwhelming especially like you got to think about your mental and right now we're talking about there's an epidemic
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of like male loneliness. That's what they're saying, right? I I don't really have that because I got sisters. So,
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which is cool. You know, if you got a sister, you good. That's how you end male loneliness. You know, give them a sister,
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right? Sure. Yeah. That's But it's true. Yeah. You know, I got my sister. I got my brother.
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We good. So, have you been dealt a male loneliness or anything? Male loneliness? You're with me right now, so you're not
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lonely, basically. Yeah. I mean, male loneliness, what does that even mean? Where does it even come from?
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I think I think uh people and I don't think it's like, oh, you know what I I go to when you go to restaurants, you
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see mostly like women coming out with their home girls. Mhm. Right. We hardly are seeing men going
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out together, going out to eat together, going out to drink together like we used to, right? So I think there's a men are
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now reserved and going out because I guess a lot of us are not coming out to everything's expensive. So everybody is
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isolated with social media. Thank you for coming over my house and visit. But I had to tell you to come
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over and visit me in order to come and do this podcast. But true. So so I wouldn't be alone. I started this podcast so I could see you.
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Yeah. No, I noticed I noticed like I I came in to hang out and I saw what are these lights doing here? What's this
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camera doing here? There's a microphone. I was like, what? I thought we were just going to hang out. Legitimately, I
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thought we were just going to like I'll just push record on something. We're good. It's like, no, you could be my guest. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Well, then there it is. You're the you're the first guest. I don't think I don't think there Look, for me at least, I experience
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loneliness, but it's different. I don't think it's male loneliness. I don't I don't even know what that means. I just They think it's loneliness. The
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thing about in our like I'm 36 so for me I feel the thing that they don't tell you about is that as you keep grow as
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you keep getting older um you know the friends or the community that you built that you had when you
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were younger you know they get their own lives they they built their own family they get married they get k they got
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kids they move away from the city uh you know they they start kind of dri like
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you start kind of drifting apart. Yeah. Um and it's no one's fault. I think that's the natural course of things.
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But I don't I just don't think because you know we're Latinos. We we are we come from communities, right? You know,
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indigenous but black folks, every every human being has come from some type of
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tribe and that's how we survive socially. That's how we ended up where we are today, right? With the things
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that we've built, right? So being on your own and secluded scrolling is not
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normal, right? No, I miss those days. Like we're I'm we're both millennials, bro. We live at a time
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that people used to come over the house. My friends used to come over. Every time I came out here to New York, I had like 10 folks that were my people. We all
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hang out. We drink, talk. I you know. Yeah. My mom I I haven't even seen my mom hanging out with her home girls. Her
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home girls used to be at here at the house, right? They she used to play music. I used to play music all the time
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and people would just dance. Gen Z doesn't even know how to dance.
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It's not really Gen Z. I think that's us. Yeah, I know how to dance. I don't know. Well, you know how to dance, too. We
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dance. I don't know how to dance. I don't I don't know how to dance. I'll tell you. That's just the reality.
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You get down, though.
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Oh, but but but I think to that point, I I I
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um it's funny, somebody said this the other day, and I want to be able to give them credit, but whatever. Um I've never
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done more community building than I am doing now. I feel like I'm a glue of
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sorts. You like you have to put in the effort to be friends with people. You have to be able to like invite them.
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You have to make the you have to make the effort to hold everyone together, hold your community together. Uh because
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again I think the natural progress of things like people people get their own lives. People get married, people move away,
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people have kids, right? Like they move to Jersey and they get they get everybody in New York. All
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my friends from New York move to Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing about it. And so now it's got to be up to you
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to make that to make that push to make the effort to to to continue
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that relationship. And again, it's no one's fault either. It's not like, you know, the relationship is failing. It's
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just it's just a natural course of things. I don't think it's a natural course of things. I I think so, bro. If you think about it, like, bro,
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we used to dance by the fire. Yeah. But then but you got to be the one to to make that happen
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to have people just come over. Let's have a conversation. Nowadays, people sit there. I remember
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back in the day, people would be like, "Yo, the TV's get away from the TV. Everybody's distracted cuz we're watching TV. Nobody's talking to each
24:49
other." But now it's not only the TV. Now it's also the phone, right? And sometimes I catch myself at
24:55
night, bro, scrolling. That's not something that's normal. I remember like back in the day, I used to
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lock myself in a room to read a book and that was cool, right? I would entertain myself doing that. Now I feel like I
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can't just do that no more. Like to turn everything off and sit down in my room to read a book, especially at night time
25:15
before I go to sleep. I feel like I need to be entertained. I need some type of, you know, I need to scroll. I need to do
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something, right? So that's not normal, you know. And we lived a time that we we
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lived a time without that. So we know how that looks like. The next generation, they don't know what that looks like.
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Now they're they're babies and they already got the iPad, their iPads. Joey thought though, you
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ever took a iPad away from you ever seen that shit? They turn into little crackheads.
25:44
Yeah, I've seen that happen before. Take it away. Bro,
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he call this one like who's his kid? Whose kid is this? Yeah. Like,
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yeah. Y I was in the barber shop, right, and I saw this lady like she was having
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anxiety attack, bro. I felt so bad for the mom. I could see her sweat and every
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like this kid is just hysterical like and and she doesn't know what to do.
26:19
She's so she's panicking and and and she's like looking on the phone and looking for games and looking for
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something like to show the kid while he's getting a haircut. It's like and nothing is working. And this kid is
26:30
super hysterical at that. I'm like, this is something that we've normalized now. It's normal now.
26:37
Did you ever get your ass whooped as a kid? Hell yeah. All the time. Oh yeah. They used to beat me with
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brooms, uh inspection cord, hangers, uh the belt.
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I remember uh when they were with the vacuum, you know, the cable for the
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vacuum, they was like they turn it into a loop. Yeah. Yeah. It's like
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Did she walk the vacuum with her, too? No, the the vacuum keeps doing its job.
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The cord The cord is now the the is a second tool, bro.
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But I remember I mean that's the thing about it. I don't I that was left here. Why the hell you bringing that shit up? Because here's the thing. I think that's
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the different people like different upbringings, right? you know, again, I don't like, you know, my parents, you
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know, raised us, you know, in a different way because their parents raised them, you know, in that way. They
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didn't know any better. Um, and I understand that now. Back then, I understand it, but I understand that now.
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And I feel like, uh, you got to bring him back these days. these days,
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you know, like, you know, you see kids, you know, walking around
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being disrespectful. Now, I'm not saying corporal punishment is the way to go.
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But I'm just saying there's something there's something poor.
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I'm not saying that. That's You said that. I'm not saying that. I think our parents were like that
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because they didn't know any better like you said before. And it was like they it said and that's all the only thing that
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they know especially from compos you know and uh I think people are looking for different ways to discipline their
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kids right I don't know what to do I don't know what the option is I don't know when I
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don't know what I'mma do when I have a kid right I I I think but I think every parent
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goes through that right and I think like you know it's it's it's weird because
28:34
I've seen that same thing that you just described about like the kid is hysterical and you got the parent trying
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to play games hoping that the iPad is the solution,
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you know, and and I on one hand I it's easy for me to be like,
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look at this moment. Yeah. How disgraceful that we're hoping techn Yeah.
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No, I didn't say that. But we're hoping for technology to fix our problem. Yeah. Yeah. But in reality, you know, I can't fault
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the parent either. I mean, they're they're going through their own thing, like, you know, they don't they don't know how else to control the situation.
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They're hoping that this won't be an easy solution. So, I don't know. I don't know what the what the issue is. Then again, I don't
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have kids, so I can't Who am I to talk about Noto gonna have kids or what? I used to be against kids. Like, I used
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to be like, I'm never having kids. And what changed? As I get older,
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no, no, no, no. As I get older, I it's not a clear a definite like shut like a
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definite a definite shutdown. I'm not saying yes to kids right now, but I'm
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also not saying no. I would like to have a kid. I want I want like a little me walk around even
29:49
though like he's going to be difficult cuz I'm very difficult. But uh we have the privilege of knowing that
29:55
it's an economic decision now. Yes. Do you have the money for it? Do you have the space for the kid? right? Like
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do you have is it even worth it? I mean, and then also you got to be madly in love with, you know, the person. And you know what? I give I
30:07
give a shout out to all the parents, bro. Like, all these parents, bro, like for you to have a kid nowadays, bro,
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especially here in United States of America, like you have to pay mortgage type money in order to put these kids on
30:18
the daycare. Mhm. We We're like, we need to be talking about these things with these people. Like I I met Part Lama because there's
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friends of mine that have three four kids and I'm like they can't even take their kids out to feed three four moms
30:33
or five and the you really have to be killing it like making millions a year
30:39
in order to be sustainable to have these kids. You can't take them to the movies.
30:45
Hell no. That's that's uh that's rent right there. That's rent right there. Not only that, now the movies you go to eat. What's to
30:52
go, bro? You go you go to eat by yourself or you take a date out. Nowadays, it's like $300. That's a lot
30:58
of dudes. Like there's dudes I saw a video that goes like, uh, I've ghosted a
31:03
fine girl because I ain't got no money. That's wild.
31:09
And I was like, I I could see that. That's heartbreaking, bro. When we were younger, like especially our parents,
31:15
when our parents were younger, like $3, $2 for a beer, you know, like people
31:22
paid $1,000 for a car back in those days, back in the 70s, right? And
31:27
people, when we were younger, there was no such thing as pregaming. Pregaming was not a thing for us.
31:34
No. Pregaming is a thing now. And it's so normalized. We're like, we Oh, yeah.
31:39
People would call me like if if there was a phase that you'd be like, "Yo, if you want to pregame, you could come in
31:45
my house." All right, we could do that. What do you think? Oh, no. We could just go over there. Okay, cool. Now is like,
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"Yo, this is what we're going to do. We're going to pregame at 6 and we're going to leave at 9:00.
31:56
It's part of the schedule before going out and and especially the next gener,
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right?" But Well, uh, there was an article that I
32:12
read that Gen Z doesn't doesn't drink as much anymore. I don't blame him because if they drink,
32:18
they're going to not they're going to go broke. Yeah. You know what they also do? Another art. Sorry, I read. I don't want
32:24
to come off as pretentious, but you know, I read stuff. You know that 54% of Americans do not
32:29
read. Well, you know, does man read?
32:34
I also I also read that somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that every they said that every fifth adult is illiterate.
32:58
Oh, Gen Z does not open tabs. They close their tab after one drink.
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And that's costing a lot of bars like a lot of good business because they don't
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they don't open the tab anymore. Yo, good for them. For me, I think that's an instinct of
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like, I'm going to a bar, I'm gonna open up a tab. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, for them like
33:22
they're they're they're closing the tab after one after one drink, which honestly is smart smarter.
33:29
They're learning from our mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. And they're and that, you know,
33:34
they're they're doing good. Good. I'm glad that they're doing that. Gen Z's are smart because
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we had the luxury to be like, let's keep the tab open. There was a luxury to that, right? They don't have that luxury.
33:47
You know, you take a girl out Some dude takes one girl out and guess
33:52
what? Like if they get one drink, he gets one drink, she gets one drink, that's $50. And on top of that, they
33:58
already add the tips in there. The gratuitity. Mhm. No, they obligate the gratuitity
34:04
nowadays. So they they force you to be grateful.
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Do you still drink? I stopped drinking because it No, I rather put that shit in my S&P 500.
34:16
So it was an economic choice for you. is a not only that is I just don't like the feeling afterwards.
34:21
Yeah. I I had like I I I think I I stopped drinking for the most part. You did? You did?
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Yeah. I think I mean part of it was like okay like I I don't know. I get I would
34:32
get hung over after like uh two drinks. You serious? I go I'd go home and like sleep and I'd
34:37
be like why am I hung over? I only had like two drinks. You know what it is? You remember that
34:42
video that we did that Mscala video? That video spoiled me. Like after I had mscal and I was
34:49
introduced to the motherfucker. I don't want to drink anything else. I don't want to drink no wrong. I don't want to drink no tequila. I don't want to drink
34:55
nothing else. It's cuz you you drank the very best too. You got spoiled. I got spoiled. And and one thing I
35:01
noticed when I drink mscal my whole my body feels doesn't feel like
35:07
I'm poisoning myself. It's natural stuff. When I take a sip or
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even smell tequila, I take a sip of tequila. I already feel it in my body.
35:17
Right? You that you feel afterwards. First of all, you know, you don't black out in mecot. You recover a whole lot
35:24
faster, right? There's no hangovers with mscott, right? So, it's like those three things
35:29
alone like why is that? Why is it when I drink a mscal, I feel okay afterwards?
35:35
You see what I'm saying? That's what it is. Well, your people from Puebla, son.
35:42
Puebla's coming up with a mascado. We got mole. We're good. When we going to go to Wajaka and drink me mscal over
35:47
there? I'll have one. I'll have one mscal. Bro, we're going to be with a tribe,
35:53
bro. These motherfuckers be talking Sapotco, bro. They would.
35:58
And we going to be We going to walk out of there speaking Sapotco, bro. I'm I'm I'm down. I'm all for it. I can
36:05
I can learn a third language. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, I heard it here. We're going to go.
36:11
Yeah, we're going to go. Okay. We got to talk about real shit, bro. We Yeah, we don't start off with the real shit.
36:16
Why not? You dig You You send the real the real shit in between all the fun stuff. That's the pedalike way.
36:23
We're not in pedal like this is deb. Yeah. Yeah. All right. This is new. This is different. I'm trying to bring I want I
36:29
want to bring back culture. I want to bring I want to I want also I want to bring people I respect, right? Like you
36:35
one of the persons I respect, right? Every time we have conversations, we have some dope ass conversations and not a lot of people are smart, bro. that you
36:43
know I got really a lot of dumb friends too you know and I was like woo I can't have a conversation with them there's
36:48
people that you know you lose brain cells I think there scientifically proven that some people like once you have like say hi to them like you lose
36:55
like two brain cells just from a high that's why I don't say hello to anybody
37:04
you know about like there's people that have meaningful conversation I think your mindset is what sets your life up
37:12
like your mindset, the way you think, the things you learn about is what sets you off for life, right? The people you
37:18
surround yourself with. You surround yourself with productive people, smart people, you become one of them. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But if you like
37:24
surround yourself with people that are not intellectually intellectually in your level, you start becoming dumber.
37:30
They'll become better and then you become dumber and you start and then that's when the movie Idiocracy comes
37:37
up. Yeah. Do you feel like we're going to be in deocracy? We're going to be
37:43
Oh, we already are. Do you think we're there? I think so. We got a We got a felon for a president.
37:50
I feel like we're there. You know, you know what's crazy about that movie, bro? Like, it's a comedy,
37:56
right? And the whole thing was like a lot of dumb people are reproducing more than
38:02
everybody else. But I feel like that movie,
38:07
it was a dumb fucking movie. It was It was supposed to be a stupid fucking movie that we forgot about,
38:13
but the movie is so relevant now today more than ever.
38:18
Yeah. I'm convinced that if anybody in in that cabinet were to do something as dumb as
38:26
kill somebody on live television, nobody would care. That's how much chaos there
38:31
is in the world right now. Damn. Like, you know, we're doom scrolling our way. The thing about being like about
38:38
being on social media is that it goes in through one ear and out the other. You're you're desensitized.
38:44
Yeah. You ever notice like you get on social media, you forget you were going to do all the time? All the time. Like I'm going to do this,
38:50
that, that, and the third. And then once I get on social media, like I was like, "What the hell I was going to do? I
38:56
forgot I was taking a shit for like three hours." And then you ever had your legs go numb? That's crazy.
39:02
You're spending way too much time. But that happens to everybody, doesn't it?
39:09
If if you start if your if your legs start getting numb, you know, you should probably wrap it up. You ever like fell from your legs being
39:16
numb? I have fallen before. It was weird. And it's dangerous, too, cuz you can you can
39:22
break something. Yeah. You're like, "Oh, in the bathroom. You fell in the bathroom." No, I fell in the hallway cuz the thing
39:28
is you get up. So, you taking a shit in the hallway? No. No, no, no, no, not in the hallway. I was I wasn't taking a shit either. It
39:34
was just, you know, regular. I would think I was I was cross-legged. I get up and then as I'm walking, the thing is it
39:40
takes a little bit a little bit of time and then suddenly you can't feel your legs and you're like, "Whoop!" Boom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
39:45
And I'm like, "Oh, this is embarrassing. I hope nobody." It's even worse when you got to wipe.
39:52
Stop. Cut this out. Cut this out.
39:58
I I think the idea of doing a podcast is is an interesting one, especially for you. Yeah, I think this is um it's a good vehicle
40:05
for you. You're an entertaining person. You're funny as hell. You know, you're whatever. Stop it.
40:10
That's it. That's it. That's it. You But I also think like it's you know you
40:16
know every But I think when when you first told me it's just like everybody and their mom's already doing a podcast,
40:22
right? Like how many more people do how many more podcast in the world do we need? Yeah. But at this point, you know what? Do whatever you want.
40:27
You know what it is? Is that
40:35
I feel like I feel a lot of things happen within our community that I feel like nobody's talking to our community,
40:41
right? Nobody and I feel like we're in this situation today because not a lot
40:46
nobody that's able to defend us defended us, right? I'm an American citizen. I
40:52
have the freedom to say anything, you know? And we also have a society that there's idiots with big
40:58
microphones, which is a good podcast name. That's that's a good podcast name.
41:03
Idiots with big microphones. But to be honest with you, I feel like these people, these idiots with big microphones are hurting society,
41:11
right? I have a child. I have to be like, yo, what are you listening to? What podcast are you listening to? What
41:17
you're taking in really affects your life. You're ingesting that. When any content that you are taking in is
41:24
impacting you and your life and the way you think, your mindset. If you're sitting down and listening to a podcast
41:30
for two hours, you're you're being programmed to think like that person cuz you're stop challen
41:37
there's only so much that your ch your your brain could be like I don't believe this, I believe that. I don't believe this. And there's a lot of people they
41:43
people don't do research anymore. So you're like, I'm taking this person for their word. Yeah.
41:49
Right. So now two hours in after an hour your brain already shut down. You're not making your own decision, rational
41:55
decisions. So now you're sitting down two three hours now you are an MMA
42:01
fighter. Mhm. Now you want to do Iaska and do archery
42:06
for some reason. There was something. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So you're two hours you're already
42:13
your brain is being programmed programmed to think like somebody else
42:18
to think like someone else to we live in a society that's very cultish
42:25
cultish people everybody thinks the same in some way somehow and we are not challenging the people the right way and
42:31
we don't even care about truth and reality and factual information
42:38
and when you don't care about facts and truth, you're deceiving yourself and the
42:44
people around you is I I see if you are okay with false
42:50
information, you're betraying yourself. Yeah. Yeah. We live in sorry we live in
42:57
a in a weird society right now that we can't tell the truth. What is the truth? What is the truth?
43:03
Right. I think instead what you know I think that the one of the dangers about social media like yes it's a way of life
43:09
but also like instead of finding out what is the truth
43:15
what we're trying to do instead is what news sources are out there that
43:20
fits with the way that I feel I think where my biases right
43:26
and and I think that's when the danger because it the people that really changed the world of science right I
43:33
feel Like science has changed everything. We're talking through a microphone. We talk to people like through a satellite, right? We're able
43:39
to explore the universe. We know how big the universe, right, is because of science. We have vaccines and stuff like
43:44
that, right? So these people have changed the world. But the only way that we have grown is by adopting real information
43:52
and challenging these information in order for us to grow and learn. But if
43:57
we are okay with false information, there's no growing. There's no learning. There's no shifting
44:03
if we're okay with no truth. No, we got we got a lot of people out there in power right now that don't that
44:10
are anti-science, anti-truth. Anti-truth, right? Like
44:16
they're pushing all these false narratives, but also like uh I always remember Kellyanne Conway, she was she
44:22
said uh al you know she came up with the with the phrase alternative facts,
44:29
bro. just like and they it's not fact. It's alternative fact. It's alternative facts which just means
44:35
it's not true. It's a lie. That's what it is. It's a lie. But that's the world that we that's the
44:41
world that we live in. And I think like uh what's funny about it is that like we're always like looking for
44:47
misinformation, disinformation, how to combat it and stuff. But the people that it affects the most is our parents.
44:54
They're the ones that are gullible enough to consume a lot of this information. a lot of these disinformation and misinformation
45:00
campaigns that are happening and they're not necessarily targeting us. They're targeting our parents.
45:05
And so that's where we have to get we have to get into those spaces and educate and let people know what's
45:11
right, what's what's fact and what's a lie. Yeah. Also with AI now you could re you could make a fake video. It looks so
45:17
good and so realistic that you could I I there's videos that my mom has showed me and she's like I'm like and I look at it
45:24
I'm like that's AI. That's not a real video.
45:30
I'm like, bro, that's AI. AI has gotten so good that you can't Our parents are
45:36
not going to tell the difference. Can you imagine when we get older how AI is going to be?
45:41
That's this is the end of the world at this point. We can't tell what's real
45:46
anymore. We can't tell what's real anymore. And sometimes I'm afraid myself because I'm like, am I also falling into like these
45:52
biases? cuz I'm pretty sure I have some things some biases that I'm probably not
45:58
right about. It's probably not factual. Yeah, we're not perfect. We're not perfect.
46:05
So, this is an AI. This is all AI right now. Matter of fact, I'm not here. Yeah, this is AI doing the podcast for me.
46:12
This is a prompt [Laughter] prompt. Make this happen,
46:20
bro. I'm I'm a you know you were talking about Kanye and Conway right and I I I
46:27
was listening to Candace Owens and she was talk telling she was talking about how that we never went to the moon right
46:35
and then there's a lot of people that don't think that we ever went to the it's become a conspiracy theory right
46:42
the there's a the people think the world is flat right and there's also people
46:48
that think she said that dinosaur are not real.
46:53
She thinks that dinosaurs are not real. And this is a person that talks every single day and influences millions of
47:01
people, right? And there's a lot of people that's probably people now walking around going like, "Dinosaurs
47:06
never existed." I'm like, "What the hell? Where do you think these fossils are coming from?"
47:11
Right? People here's the thing. People in power want us to be dumb. They want us to be uninformed. They want
47:17
us to be stupid. Why do you think they're taking away money from public schools? Why do you think they're shutting down the department of
47:24
education? Right? Like it's easier to manipulate people when they don't have proper
47:29
education. Proper education. It's easier to get them to buy something to, you know, uh to follow a certain
47:36
ideology. When they're not educated, when you don't know when you don't know the core
47:42
basics of science, of history, of evolution, like these are these are not opinions. These are facts. This is
47:48
science. Uh, this is science. And the thing is about science is that it's peer-reviewed. It's it's an evolving
47:54
beast, but it's a it's it's peer reviewed. It's reviewed by by hundreds of scientists who who study this stuff.
48:01
And yet people are always like, well, I read in a book that we didn't go to we didn't go to the
48:08
moon. No, no, they didn't read. They know them what they like, yolo on Facebook.
48:13
I saw a meme. I saw a meme. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to my aunt,
48:18
right? And we're sitting there and and she's like, "I don't believe anything in science." I was like, "Whoa." And my two
48:24
cousins are there, right? And I was like, and and she was like, "So, she's like, you believe that we came from
48:31
monkeys." And I was like, "We the evolution through science shows that,
48:37
you know, we evoluted from apes." And she was like, "If that's true, then why are they apes?" I'm like, "For the same
48:43
reason there's wolves around and there we still have dogs." And she was like,
48:48
"So you believe that dogs come from wolves?" I was like, "Yeah, so then why
48:54
the" And she's like, "That doesn't make sense." So I'm like, "Girl, we see all
48:59
these species of dolls that we created our damn selves. You think that's natural to have a little poodle walking
49:05
around? Like the poodle would not survive in the wilderness?" I have a question. At what point do you
49:12
engage with that? And at what point do you just say, "You know what? live your life. I don't care anymore.
49:18
Because I find that sometimes you it's like talking to a brick wall. Yeah. I feel that.
49:23
Somebody like if somebody has has all these beliefs, you just let it let it be. It doesn't Sometimes I think like when
49:30
when all of this stuff first started like this insanity first started of of like, you know, people talking about um
49:38
having anti-science views. Yeah. Yeah. I think the instinct is to be like, well, let me have a conversation with them and let me
49:43
present facts and let me try to fight off the disinformation that they're consuming. And then after a while, you
49:49
realize like it doesn't do anything that they're they're going to believe what they want to believe. I still think it's important to
49:55
I still think it's important to put out the right information. Don't get me wrong, but promoting proper information
50:02
out on your social platforms, making sure that we're anything that we put out, uh, whe whether it's a statement,
50:09
that there's a source that backs up what we're saying. I think that's important. But after a while, when you're doing one-on-one with
50:15
somebody who doesn't have any of these beliefs, like they they're not going to listen to what you have to say. You can present them with the cold hard
50:21
truth and they're going to believe what they want to believe. And you can show them evidence, all the evidence you want.
50:27
Like the podcast, Joe Bro, the not the Joe Rogan, the Joe Button podcast when Mark Leavon was having that that
50:33
discussion with that one guy, bro. And he was like, "No, the world is flat. No, I'm telling you, I study. I read. I'm
50:39
smart." I'm like, "All these people are dumb. Believe they're smart." Right?
50:44
And no matter how many times he like he talked to him about science, he showed them evidence like and there was like no
50:51
breaking to through to him. No, there was none. He was just set in his ways. And we we all know somebody that's
50:58
like that. I think a lot of I think a lot of Latino
51:04
men are like that, bro. No. And it does it does it doesn't matter if it's anti-science or or about
51:11
anything. And we're and and also I think it's part of humanity that we don't like to be
51:17
wrong. We don't like to be wrong. It's always more of a ego thing. Of
51:22
course, it's an ego thing. It's an ego thing. It's also a fact that we don't like to admit when we are wrong. We are
51:28
a society that doesn't like to say I'm sorry or say that I'm wrong or say I don't know.
51:35
We also don't tend to I and keep in mind I I say all these things because I've been that person before where I'm like I
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don't say I don't know. I don't say I'm sorry. But we should as we grow, as we
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become older, as we as we become wiser, hopefully we should be able to say
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sometimes, "I don't know. I don't know." Or, "Oh, I got that wrong." Mhm. I'm sorry. Yeah.
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I was wrong. Oh, but you know, but you know what the problem is?
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That we look and we think about that and we think that we're weak because we went back on what we thought. I I remember I
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think people don't like taking accountability. Yo, you know why? Because taking accountability is is for the weak.
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Yeah. Which and there's power in taking accountability. But we have normalized this society has normalized not taking
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accountability. But there's a beauty in there. There's power in it. You know, I I I released a video, right? And it was
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a song that was like, you know, that's when Trump came out. Remember he was like, "They're eating
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the cats. They eating the dogs." And I made a song of it. They're eating the cats and his dog. And then this this
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Haitian lady sent me a message. She's like, "Listen, you're hurting the community by making a video like this."
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For me, it was just I'm thinking I'm I'm being funny. I don't think I'm hurting the community, right? And she's like, "You're hurting
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more the community because, you know, they're saying that Haitians are eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, and
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we're not doing that. That's not" And and it turns out it was a false narrative. I'm like, "Oh, I'm doing it because I'm just making fun of the whole
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situation, you know." But when she told me that, I was like, "You know what? You're right."
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And I thanked her for letting me know. And I was like, "Thank you for holding me accountable."
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I think that makes us better people. And she went and she turned around and she was like, "A mess with you. That's
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what I like about you." Because not a lot of people have done that. You did not fight me back or you're like, "You know what? If I'm doing something that
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is being detrimental to a certain community and I'm pushing down and I'm
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I'm telling you, thank you for holding me accountable because I want you to hold me accountable because if you hold me accountable, I become a better
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person. If I hold you accountable, you become a better person. And you know what? If I
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don't hold you accountable, I become a horrible person. I agree. I think I think that's that's
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the mindset that we should have. That's Yeah, that ain't the mindset that currently exists. And that's the right now we are I feel
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like we are rewarding bad behavior. So we rewarding other people that don't take accountability.
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No, we have we have a president who takes no accountability at all.
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We have a president who's a felon. Yeah. We have a president who talks down on people, who's a racist, who's a
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xenophobic horrible man. Yeah. And yet this man is incredibly
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successful and is a president of the United States. What do you think that is? Have a young person look at that be
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like, "Well, if he can get away with it, I can I can too. That's an alpha.
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That's an alpha. Yeah. And it's just like, no, that's dumb. And then now not only that, like with
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the and we see all like all these podcasts are happening, right? like and I'm not going to name no names like the
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milk boys but um
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or like the fresh fits um but they talk about so much about but the red pill content and being the alpha right and
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these are people that are are informing the next generation of people right the next generation of people thinking the
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alpha they shit on women you know they're shitting on black women especially Right? And they want to be
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like the alpha so bad and they have a misconception what a alpha is. Right? And now they're adap adopting the
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analogies like they don't take any accountability. It's okay to never say
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I'm sorry. I'm never wrong. So it's like now we're
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since we're rewarding that we're we're cultivating this culture of the next generation of people that think that
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that red pill content is okay and it's not. It's just a different form of machista culture. That's what it is.
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And the thing is like, you know, I think like it's up to us to be able to fight back against it by
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through our actions, through how we talk about it. But again, it's um it's it's a dangerous platform. It's dangerous to be
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able to to tell people, "Hey, it's okay to to to do whatever you want, not take
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accountability and shit on other people." Why are we doing that? And not only that, but these are grown ass men, too.
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But how are we surprised by any of that? We know family members who are men who
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do the exact same thing. Exact same thing and believe the the same thing.
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I wish I I want us and also like you can't impose your
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views and ideas on them or like I don't want I we're not because then we don't
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want to just like oh I want to change you to think like me. It's not that right. But I just want all of us to be good
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people, right? It doesn't cost you anything to not be an asshole.
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Don't be a dick, bro. It's free. It's free. It's free to not be a dick.
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All right. I think sometimes I sometimes I think like you know what we just need the old people to be gone.
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A considerate doesn't cost anything to be a considerate person. All right. So now what's the solution? What we going to do?
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Just don't be an asshole. Okay. That's I thought that was clear. Was that not
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clear? I I don't know. That's how we're going to change. Treat people with respect. Yeah.
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Right. And also be open to accountability. Be open to criticism. It's okay to take criticism. Doesn't
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make you any less of a man to say I'm sorry. I like that. You know, we can we can
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we we can I thought you were going to say for a
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second. No, no, no.
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Okay. All right. That's what we got to build community, good communities, the people around us.
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That's what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. All right. Because again, we can criticize all these people, but if the change doesn't start with us, what are
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we doing? Then what are we doing? I love that. That's going to be the next book. Change starts with us.
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We got we got gems in this podcast, bro. We We killing it, bro.
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Yeah. Even though we're going to cut everything out. We're going to cut everything. Cut everything.
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The cut it out episode one. Uh, no m I appreciate you coming through, brother and and spending time with me like
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hanging out. I think we needed to hang out. It's been a long time. Yeah, bro. Like we we hardly get a chance to do something like this, right? We're
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